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Aeneas
Posted 2016-12-05 10:16 AM
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Hi everybody.

I acquired a nice retro-thingy, a HP Jornada 680. For this, I wanted Linux. And it turns out, once upon a (not too long ago) time, there was a nice Linux distribution named Jlime.

This resided, not too surprisingly, on Jlime.com.

Jlime.com is now GONE.

I did manage to fish out of the gutter of the internet, web.archive.org, a working version - and successfully installed it. - Apparently, Jlime also had a repository, namely:

http://web.archive.org/web/20090921090102/http://repository.jlime.c...

http://jornada680.wikidot.com/applications

- But I did not find a snapshot for that thing. Which is highly unpleasant, as it seens to have included GCC there.

So... where do you propose can one get Jlime packages, and particularly GCC on Jornada 680? Or for any other Linux distribution for Jornada 680, perhaps?

(Assume, for now, I am not fiddling with NetBSD.)


Edited by Aeneas 2016-12-05 10:17 AM
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I backed up the entire repos for both the Jornada 690 and Jornada 720/NEC MobilePro 900 JLimes a while ago, since, seeing that the JLime forum was shutdown, I was worried about the site deteriorating and going offline. It went offline only a few weeks after I finished the backup.

The J690 repo alone is about 1.8 gigabytes, so it's not that easy to upload. Does anyone have any suggestions on how and where to upload it? Mega?
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TapamN - 2016-12-05 11:19 AM

I backed up the entire repos for both the Jornada 690 and Jornada 720/NEC MobilePro 900 JLimes a while ago, since, seeing that the JLime forum was shutdown, I was worried about the site deteriorating and going offline. It went offline only a few weeks after I finished the backup.

The J690 repo alone is about 1.8 gigabytes, so it's not that easy to upload. Does anyone have any suggestions on how and where to upload it? Mega?

Don't use mega. Split the file into multiple rar archives and upload them to zippyshare.com
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Aeneas
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I would be really extremely grateful if you people can put the repos online somehow.

I would suggest dropbox or google drive (you can create "public" files there).
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https://www.dropbox.com/s/g4u4z33cw77jojj/vargtass.zip?dl=0

Here's the repo for the SH3 based Jornadas. Ideally, you have a large enough CF card to fit the entire repo on, since there are a lot of packages that need to be installed to get GCC usable. Beyond just the gcc, packages I can think of binutils, gdb, symlink (like g++/gcc -symlinks_4.2.2-r7_sh3), and *-dev packages for library headers. You'll also want screen installed, to get more virtual terminals (JLime is compiled to have just two terminals). Screen requires ncurses. You'll probably want man pages, which are installed from *-doc packages (I remember needing to do some extra configuration to get them working since the man pages are installed to a place man doesn't look at by default).

With optimization turned off, I find compile times to be pretty reasonable, but I'm used to longer compile-to-run times than most because I do embedded dev. and am used to spending time having to reset and upload code to a device. Heavy preprocessor use and large headers can take a long time to process. They can also cause GCC to start swapping, compounding the problem. And optimization will make things worse. You might want to look into getting a 690 for the extra RAM if you plan on heavily using it. (It doesn't need to be a good 690, you can get a crap one and move the RAM/ROM card into your 680). I use a 690 to do coding when taking my mom to doctor's appointments.
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Hm, I sure hope jlime.com will be on again soon :/ Would be a shame
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That was GREAT, TapamN, that really helped!!

I actually managed even to port a little lisp interpreter...

Any chance to do upload such an archive for the Jornada 720, too? - It would be a shame if that would be lost... I know it had a Debian port, but perhaps your archive will save someone a lot of trouble in the future! (I have a friend who positively does have a J720, not sure about Linux.)
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Aeneas - 2016-12-19 6:29 AM
I actually managed even to port a little lisp interpreter...


That is very cool!

I've been learning to program in Lisp bit by bit since 2013, and all that artificial intelligence hype makes me want to port some sort of classic A.I. program for Windows CE machines by using Linux / NetBSD on Windows CE.
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I installed Jlime for the first time today, and found out that it doesn't even have a settings screen to change the time or screen brightness. Is it something I should install myself? I wish I did all that before the forums went down
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If you can somehow compile or install xbacklight you can control the backlight brightness from command line in Linux.

How to use:
xbacklight -set 50 # set brightness to 50
xbacklight -inc 10 # increase brightness 10%
xbacklight -dec 10 # decrease brightness 10%

I have never tried it on Jlime so I don't know if it will work, but good luck.

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stingraze - 2016-12-18 5:35 PM

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Aeneas - 2016-12-19 6:29 AM
I actually managed even to port a little lisp interpreter...


That is very cool!

I've been learning to program in Lisp bit by bit since 2013, and all that artificial intelligence hype makes me want to port some sort of classic A.I. program for Windows CE machines by using Linux / NetBSD on Windows CE.


Have you tried using NetBSD on the Jornada yet? I've been meaning to but haven't had the time yet. From what I understand, the very latest versions of the OS support the Jornada hardware.
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No, unfortunately I haven't tried NetBSD on Jornada since I don't own Jornada... (I have owned Mobile Pro 900 and put in Jlime though)

I have however tried NetBSD on Sigmarion 1 by NEC, and sure enough it is pretty cool! The only thing I haven't managed to work is X window system, but I think it will work. Also, the Sigmarion 1 only has one Compact Flash card as expansion slot so I will have to use the serial cable (which I have) to connect to the internet.

You can see the picture of Sigmarion 1 running NetBSD here: https://twitter.com/stingraze/status/810287293349105664

I think things will begin to get interesting once I experiment with this superb mixture of legacy device and latest OS.
There are a few people I found on the internet who still play with Sigmarion 1 installing NetBSD to my surprise! :-)

In the future, I do intend to get a Jornada 720 on eBay.

-stingraze
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Thanks for the tip stingraze, I think I'll stick with CE, unless Jlime's website comes back from the dead
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TapamN - 2016-12-05 11:19 AM

I backed up the entire repos for both the Jornada 690 and Jornada 720/NEC MobilePro 900 JLimes a while ago, since, seeing that the JLime forum was shutdown, I was worried about the site deteriorating and going offline. It went offline only a few weeks after I finished the backup.

The J690 repo alone is about 1.8 gigabytes, so it's not that easy to upload. Does anyone have any suggestions on how and where to upload it? Mega?
How large is the total file set that you have TapamN?
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