drivers and chipset questions

Sorry if this has been answered somewhere else I have not been able to find it.

I recently was given a 620lx which I have come to find out is going to be a huge pain for wireless networking. I have checked the HCL and found that there are only a few cards on the list that will even work with 2.0. This has seriously limited me in being able to actually find a card, i have checked all the usual places and have even been searching the old parts from other CE devices here at work.... and no luck.

Naturally not wanting to ever spend money if I don't have to I have been on a quest for a cheap and working wifi card. Unfortunatley I have no idea what is what when it comes to CE devices. I know that with many other operating systems it is possbile to run a driver that may not have been written either for that device of that OS. I seems to me that this should also be the case with CE [or it might not be and I might just be talking out my ass].

Does anyone know if there are any third party drivers/apps that will allow me to run unsopported drivers from another OS or third party source? (if linux can run WinXP drivers then by all rights we should be able to figure something out here)

Also if I run the NSP and SP1 will I be able to use devieces that were designed for 2.1 but not supported under 2.0 due to lack of networking functionality?



Edited by donavan 2005-04-16 4:37 PM

I am afraid the answer here as one generic tone.

No.

Unlike the transistion from Windows 95, to 98 to Millennium, thigns between CE versions are radically different.
While you can sometimes use a driver from a lower version on a newer one (2.11 driver on a 3.00 device) the opposite is not true.

As you are at the bottom end of the networking food chain, this isn't going to provide you any benefits.
On the second point, CE is a scaled down version of Windows, and does not support the same API (programming calls) that Windows does, neither can it address the Windows files in the first place (different CPU).

Ok just came upon something that I need varifacation on. If you look at the HCL it has the hawking CF100w as a supported device for CE2.0. It uses the prism 2.5 chipset which is shared by at rather nice list of other devices by a number of other manufactures. Will the drivers from the CF100w work on any of the prism? As far as I know this should work. The controller for the pc card slot and a CF slot are the same (at least on my device) so the only problem that I can think of is that of addressing for the differnent ports. Anyone have any input?

While there is a CE2.00 driver file, I have it right here. I have never had a Prism 2.5 card to test it with.
The driver's are reference drivers, however as I have not been able to test it out, I have not been brave enough to state it.

I was thinking of buying a netgear ma401 ... it is a 16bit pcmcia card with the prism2.5 chipset. I just didnt wanna buy it and it not work cause I dont have anything that needs one besides the 620lx. But at the price I may just buy one to test it out.

I have a fairly large list of cards with the prism2.5 if anyone thinks it is worth posting

There are a couple of docs on the forums already which have a godo chipset list, but by all means please post ayay, anything to make it easier for people is a good thing.

The NetGear MA401 is not one I would recommend. Mainly because people have a lot of trouble setting it up in the first place. While people have got it running under CE using H0006, if you can find a Prism 2.5 which is already on the HCL and is marked as compatible with CE 2.11, I would say your odds were better - my personal opinion here.

Well I decided to get the netgear and just try it out. I found it at tigerdirect.com for $12.99 so if this doesnt work I'm only out a few bucks.

Anyways here is the list of cards that have the PRISM CHIPSET

SOME CARDS in this list WILL DEFINATELY NOT WORK because they are cardbus [32bit] not a PCcard [16bit].

This is not an HCL just a list of cards that share this chipset.



****Compact Flash Cards****

1ST Wave WM-EN-CF
Abocom CWB 1000
AboveCable ACPC2000
Adtec ADLINK 345CF
Alfa AWCF001
Alfa AWCF001A
Ambicom WL1100C
Asus WL-110
Aus.Linx Technology AL-95002CF
Belkin F5D6060
Bromax BPW250-I
CompuShack Waveline CS-23-543-06
D-Link DCF-650W
D-Link DCF-660W
GemTek WL-379
Hawking Tech. CF100W
Interepoch IWE100-F
Linksys WCF11
Linksys WCF12
Macromate MWN-311
Micronet SP 903
Micronet SP 903B
Netgear MA 701
Philips PH 10878
Planet Technology WL-3600
Planex GW-CF110
Planex GW-CF11H
Sandisk SDWCFB-768
Senao/Engenius SL-2511CF
SMC 2642W
Sparklan WL-672
W-Link WEN-2050
Z-Com XI815
Z-Com XI825
Buffalo WLI-CF-S11G



****PCMCIA****

1ST Wave WM-PCCARD-2
Abocom WB 1500H
Abocom WB 1500S
Abocom WB 1500SH
Abocom WB1500
AboveCable ACPC2000
Accton WN 3101J
Acer 2411
Acrowave AWL-1100C
Actiontec 802CI2
Actiontec HWC01170-01
Adaptec AWN 8030
Addtron AWP-100
Addtron AWP-101
Airvast WN-100
Airvast WN-100S
Airvast WN-110
Alfa GWPC001E
Allied Telesyn AT-WCL452
Allied Telesyn AT-WR2411
Allnet ALL0192
Ambicom WL1100
Ambicom WL1100B
Artem CC-STD-PC-b
Asante AL 1011-PC
Asante AL 1011-Rev. B
Asante AL 1211-DP
Asante AL-1011-DP
Askey WLC010
Askey WLC020
Asus WL-100
Aus.Linx Technology AL-95002A
Belkin F5D6020
BenQ AWL-100
Bromax BWE250-I
Buffalo WLI-PCM-L11
CC&C WL-1100
CC&C WL-1101
CC&C WL-1101S
Compaq IPAQ HNW-100
Compaq WL100
CompuShack Waveline CS-23-543-03
Conceptronic C11C
ConnectGear WE 300
Contec Flexscan FX-DDS110-PCC
Corega COR-PCCL-11
Corega PCC-11,PCCA-11
Crewave CW-1100
Crewave CW-1120
Crewave CW-1120(S)
Delta Networks LM-WP100RA
Delta Networks LM-WP200RA
Delta Networks LM-WP210
Delta Networks LM-WP210-A3
Delta Networks LM-WP210-A5
DeMarc DT-ZM-100mW-WC
DeMarc DT-ZM-200mW-WC
DeMarc DT-ZM-30mW-WC
D-Link DRC-650
D-Link DWL-650
D-Link DWL-650 V4
Dynalink L11HDT
Elsa MC-2
Epox EWL-C11
Eumitcom Wl 11000
Eusso GL 2411-01
Eusso GL 2411-PM
Gateway WBM-120
GemTek WL-211
GemTek WL-311,613
GemTek WL-375
Gemtek WL-612F
Gigafast WE-721-AEX
Hawking Tech. WE110P
Horizons Wireless HZ 1500
icom SL-11
Intalk/Nokia WL 201
Intermec MobileLAN 11
IPOne 2000N
Kai-Link Corp KWL-211/212
LanReady NL-2511CD Plus
LeArtery SYNCBYAIR
LevelOne WPC-0100
LG LW 1100N
LinkPro WL-2100C
Linksys WPC11
Macromate MWN-711+
Macsense WPE-600
Macsense WPE-700
Meritline MWL-311FA
Micronet SP 905B
Micronet SP 905BD
Micronet SP 905BDV2
Micronet SP 905V2
Microsoft MN-520
Microtik 2G/P20
MiLAN W1897
MiLAN W1897B
Nalcom PW-11P
Nanospeed NS-1100M
NDC NWH1010
NEC CMZ-RT-WP
Netgear MA 401
Netgear MA 401RA
NextLink NLW-2400PA
Nokia C020/021
Nokia C110
Nokia C111
OTC Wireless AirEZY 2411-PCC
OTC Wireless APCC-202
Ovislink WL-1120PCM-SH
PheeNet WL-0011P
Philips PH 10773
Phoebe PHWL-11
Planet Technology WL-3550
Planex GW-NS110
Planex GW-NS110PX
Planex GW-NS11H
Planex GW-NS11R
Proxim 8430
Proxim 8433-05
Proxim 8434-05
RECAM WL-211F
Repotec RP-WE300
Repotec RP-XI305B
RF TNC 1100N
Samsung SWL-1000
Samsung SWL-2000N
Samsung SWL-2100E
Samsung SWL-2100N
Samsung SWL-2200P
Senao/Engenius SL-2511CD
Senao/Engenius SL-2511CD Plus
Senao/Engenius SL-2511CD Plus
Siemens Speedstream 1021
Sitecom WL-002
SmallBig SBT-2100M
SMC 2532W-B
SMC 2632W
Sparklan WL-311F
Sparklan WL-316C
Sumtel st-PC2111
TDK LAK-CD011WL
Tekram PC400
Tekram PCF200
Teletronics WL-11000
Teletronics WL-2000D
Teletronics WL-2400
Teletronics WL-2400HP
Tellus C100
Tellus C100A
Tellus C125
Tellus C126S
Toko TMW 1008
TRENDware TEW-201PC
TRENDware TEW-PC16
Troy Wireless ETHSC 001
Troy Wireless ETHSC 002
Troy Wireless ETHSC 006
Troy Wireless ETHSC 007
Unex MR011
US Robotics USR 2445
US Robotics USR2410
Wistron PC-200
Wistron PC-250
W-Link WEN-2010
W-Link WEN-2011
W-Link WEN-2012
W-Link WEN-2013
W-Link WEN-2015
Wlinx WB 1500
Yamaha YWL-11B5
YDI WL 2400 PCM
Z-Com XI300
Z-Com XI300B
Z-Com XI325
Z-Com XI325HP
Z-Com XI330B
Zonet ZEW1000P
Zoom Telephonics 4103
Zoom Telephonics ZoomAir 4000
Zoom Telephonics ZoomAir 4100
Zyxel-Zyair B-100

Ok so I just got the new parts in for my 620. But I am having a bit of an issue with the drivers (who would have guessed right?). I downloaded the drivers from the HCL (and another source) but I every time I try to run the setup program it tells me it is not a winCE 2.0 program but if I run it on my desktop it tells me that I need winCE 2.0.

So whats the deal? Is it a CE 2.0 program or not?

If you can't answer that, then can anyone tell another method for getting the drivers installed. I don't know a thing about CE all my windows knowledge is for the PC versions.

Edited by donavan 2005-04-20 10:23 PM

Donavan,

The driver installer is invariably going to be a host installer, so running it on the H/PC will do no good.

Is the error message saying you need Windows CE 2.0, or Windows CE Services 2.0?

If the latter, please head into the Sync Software section above and download ActiveSync 3.8, then give it another go.

C:aime,

It is saying not a valid win ce application. Which leads me to believe that it is an install file to be used through the sync. The problem here is that I dont have a sync cable. I am still trying to locate one through some sources i have, but currently no cord. Is there anyway to fool the system installing with out the sync?

I tried the Belkin drivers and they should work but it gives me an error about the \windows\mfcce20.dll being in use or in ROM. I checked the directory and the file is there. So is there a way to get it to look to another copy of the files rather than the one on my ROM

The belkin drivers have an installer fault. I have told them about it and they refused to even acknowledge my emails. Their loss.

You need to get the cabs out of the host installer:
http://www.hpcfactor.com/support/cesd/s/0049.asp

While there are steps that you can take over and above those listed in the article, they are of a very technical level, and differ between the installer wrapper (InstallShield, InstallShield CE, MSI and so on)

The best thing to do is just to install ActiveSync, and fish for the CABs under Program Files.

I have tried to unpackage the drivers using winrar, it works but there is still a problem. The only SH3.cab file that I can find in any of the driver packs that is compatible with the prism is the one for the belkin which crashes out. I have been searching for days for any SH3 cabs that are for a prism ... supposedly there is a pack out there from the orginal manufacturer but I can't find it either. Did I miss it somewhere ?

Does anyone have Prism drivers for CE 2.0 in a SH3 cab ?

OK, how is this for use centric tech support.

I have rewritten the entire Belkin installer for you, you can get the CAB's here:
CESD-H-0027

Experts Exchange eat your heart out.

C:amie, you are completely awesome !!!

Thank you so much for all the work you have put into this... as soon as i am home I'll try the new driver pack out. Once i get everything on my 620 up and working 100% I want to do a write up on this to fill in some of the grey areas for the newbies. What is the procedure for such things here? Should I just post a complete write up in here or send it for addition to the support and tuts?

Edited by donavan 2005-04-24 4:17 PM

If you have something for the CESD, please drop me an email and we'll sort it out. Thanks for the offer.