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The Great Crash of 2007

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wfenix Page Icon Posted 2007-02-20 9:07 AM
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I've only had my J720 for about 2 months but I've come here almost every day to check for a new tip or search for an issue I might have. When the site went down I was lost! Thanks for getting it back up.
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Sch01ar Page Icon Posted 2007-02-20 10:48 AM
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chiark - 2007-02-20 8:34 AM

I believe we do however have the right to arm bears


"Send... more... puns..."
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cmonex Page Icon Posted 2007-02-20 10:50 AM
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chiark - 2007-02-20 10:45 AM

Blimey, look at all the jumping up and down going on here! This was once a thread about the crash, and now it's the cmonex appreciation society.


my apologies, that wasn't my intention.

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First off: cmonex, I doubt it was you that sent the pretty poisonous hate mail that Chris has mentioned people should be ashamed of - and yes, he really did get true hate mail, not just "I can't believe hpcfactor's not coming back!" or some other expression of surprise. I don't know what you said, but I doubt that you went to the extremes of malice that was received!


no, i didn't, but based on other happenings i still felt/feel it was directed at me too. still, good to hear there's some doubt, that's far from a confirmation though.

in any case i'm really sorry i had to write this, as i do not feel like leaving (and never did). but, things are still the same. i just visited to see my PM's, due to that i checked this thread too.
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rlw Page Icon Posted 2007-02-20 11:42 AM
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Hey,

Glad to see things are back up and running -- I didn't realize what a jones I had for HPC:Factor 'til it went missing. Thanks for all your hard work.

There's another thread between Rich Hawley and Mitch (PocketDVD) discussing public domain movies. One of them mentioned archive.org, and that got me to thinking about the wayback machine that lives there. C:Amie, did you dig around in there trying to find missing pages? Unless you have some kind of "no robots" trick, some of HPC:Factor may still be there.

Sorry if this has already been brought up...

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Hurricane John Page Icon Posted 2007-02-20 11:59 AM
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cmonex - 2007-02-20 10:50 AM

no, i didn't, but based on other happenings i still felt/feel it was directed at me too. still, good to hear there's some doubt, that's far from a confirmation though.

in any case i'm really sorry i had to write this, as i do not feel like leaving (and never did). but, things are still the same. i just visited to see my PM's, due to that i checked this thread too.


I'll probably get my head handed to me, but here goes.....

Ok - so let me try to understand what you are saying!

Nobody actually asked you to leave, but you are leaving on your own accord because you think that maybe some of Chris's comments may have possibly been directed towards you, although you have no idea if that is true or not? In any case you now have some of your admirer's up in arms and requesting that Chris stick out the olive branch in a sign of apology/forgiveness/respect for something he may or may not, have intended toward you. If the statement he made was the same one that is posted in this forum, then it is pretty darn generic, if you ask me, and in no way names names or points fingers. Sometimes guilt does strange things to people, makes them believe things that are not, funny thing is that only you can decide what to do.

No one is asking you to leave (as a matter of fact some people are begging you to stay).....so, if you decide to leave, don't leave in anger, because ultimately you are the one that made the final decision.

Although I am not part of the admiration society, I do believe that you are very intelligent and have much to offer this forum..........if you so choose?
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chiark Page Icon Posted 2007-02-20 12:22 PM
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Eloquently and concisely put, John. I'd have taken twice as many words to say it half as clearly . Fully agree with that synopsis.
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Amen, John. Well said.
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CE Geek Page Icon Posted 2007-02-20 5:10 PM
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My turn to get my head handed to me.

I know this shouldn't really be morphing into a thread about cmonex' possible departure from this site, but I'm sure it's clear to all us regulars here that we don't keep coming back just for help, but rather because we like talking to one another. We are, after all, a community. Losing this line of communication for a few days is kinda like all your friends going out of town at the same time without telling you. As I said before, it can have a profound effect on our emotions for that period of time. On the other hand, sometimes even friends need to take a break from one another during stressful times. When the site came back up, crazy as it sounds, I felt a small urge to take a break from it almost as soon as I first logged on. It's like, things don't feel quite the same, and you gotta make an adjustment. I think this is a natural feeling.

cmonex, if you decide not to come back, I'll be sad, but I'll understand. If you do decide to come back, I'll certainly understand if you prefer to take a break for a while first.

John, cmonex already knows that no one has asked her to leave - she already said herself that it has been her decision. And it's no fairer to hold her responsible for others being "up in arms" and "begging" her to come back (or asking C:Amie to do so) than it is to hold C:Amie responsible for others not having access for several days to the information and guidance that this site provides. Neither one has control over whether these things will happen.

As I've learned from my psychology courses, good events can be stressful just like bad ones. (Any parents taking their kids on an outing can attest to this.) We all have lives outside this site (well, except for me, maybe), and sometimes our lives change course. I can think of a few old regulars we haven't seen around here for a while that I miss hearing from, but it's up to them when (or if) to come around here again. (Hey, wallythacker just sneaked in here again in the middle of the night last night. )
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quiche Page Icon Posted 2007-02-20 6:44 PM
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Now, for my two cents worth. I don't know what happened between c:amie and cmonex. But I myself have run a discussion board in the past and I know we can get incredibly and highly emotionally wrapped up with this means of community.

A discussion board is 24/7 - it takes so much work. And I look at this discussion board - here at HPC Factor, and I see it is highly sophisticated in design and maintenance. When you are the manager/administrator of a discussion board like this, like c:amie is - it does take a huge chunk of your life. Hours and days and weeks upon work.

Also being a moderator or facilitating the discussions on a continual basis, as cmonex has done here, is very emotionally involving and at times trying. It is trying when you put in the effort to get up discussion and no one is participating. It can be trying when people get touchy about you say - whether you are in the role of c:amie or cmonex.

What ever is going on between cmonex and c:amie is basically their business. I just wanted to point out that I appreciate the effort and all the time, both people have put into this handheld community through this discussion board. And point out from my past experience as a discussion board administrator that you can take things too seriously -- and it is really due to a kind of fatique that comes with the work and effort it takes. And I know recently, c:amie has born the brunt of the hours and hours it took to get this website running again.

It is a true shame to lose sight of the immense investment of time and emotions.
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cmonex Page Icon Posted 2007-02-20 8:13 PM
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Hurricane John - 2007-02-20 5:59 PM

I'll probably get my head handed to me, but here goes.....


not really.. but you have to love it when people assume this about you..

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Ok - so let me try to understand what you are saying!


sorry, you only partially succeeded. (1. the last thing i'd want is C:Amie stick out that olive branch or what the heck. 2. if this comment wasn't directed at me, still, others were certainly. at other places and times. 3. i do not feel anger or anything else.)
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quiche Page Icon Posted 2007-02-20 8:35 PM
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ok, let's lighten things up here. Take the following - tongue in cheek. All you guys ... yes, I mean you guys with the male hormones and what else ... you should be very sweet and make nice to cmonex, c:amie, whoever. Pucker up! That's an order .... grrrrrr (hear me growling at you). There comes a time to kiss and not fight.
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Shiz Page Icon Posted 2007-02-20 9:14 PM
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what crash? i know i don't visit alot and i shoudk concidering i've been here since early 2006 i believe, joo shuld all be privelaged i posted here... what crash lol guess i missed it stupid me

meh

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TFGBD Page Icon Posted 2007-02-20 11:42 PM
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I was quite happy to see the site was back until I realized just how much forum data we really lost... That made me cry, its just so depressing... I'm really starting to hate web forums (and the WWW in general) even more than I already did. Between seeing other forums lose years of useful posts a few times over and finding so many websites of WinCE software authors disappear overnight and hoping Archive.org had a copy, I'm fed up with the web and especially web forums. They also seem much harder to archive (externally) as they grow in size and gain longer and longer URLs and more complex backend databases. This is becoming true of the web in general as more and more web developers start using "dynamic" web technologies like DHTML and AJAX. I don't know. Maybe I'm just old fashioned, but I find it really sad to lose Terabytes of written and visual knowledge just due to passing time, neglect of "old" posts or failing hardware. I guess I just preferred it when web pages were written in pure HTML and had no fancy scripts that just slow down older browsers like PIE and take up server space with their complex databases anyway. At least with USENET you don't need a web browser and places like Google keep archives as far back as the 80s! And speaking of Archive.org: What is up with HPC:Factor using a robots.txt (or whatever) to prevent archive sites like the Wayback Machine or Google Cache from keeping a copy of it?! It was only while the site was down that I realized that Google does not even cache this site! We could have saved at least a few important posts if the archive sites at least had some cached threads we could use... Its so sad.

I admire the work you guys do to keep this site running and the content you add (especially C:Amie and all his CESDs) and know I could never have the patience to run a site like this. I'm glad you were able to recover what you could and I hope we can replace many of the lost posts with even better content.

And cmonex, please don't leave! I can't imagine you leaving here! You are one of the only reasons I keep visiting (and sometimes) post on this forum and if it were not for you encouraging me to share some of my tips/hacks/whatever I'd just keep putting off posting and keep my thoughts/ideas to myself. She is one of the nicest people I know and I think C:Amie might have misunderstood some of her past actions/posts in whatever disagreement/confusion they may have had. I really hope you don't stop posting here and it would be great if you repost your MobilePro ROM editing thread! You are as far as I know the first person EVER to attempt to get additional files in any H/PC's ROM and have some sort of sucess. Sure its common with Pocket PCs these days but just figuring something like this out opens up many new possabilities for the community like "cooked" ROMs (if C:Amie permits such things),

Come on guys! Can't we all just get along!

Edited by TFGBD 2007-02-20 11:54 PM
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Five bucks (dollars) says cmonex and C:Amie end up getting married!!

(That's a little American 'humor' for my new British 'buddies' Chiark and Sch01ar. It's just a joke, and I am *not* paying off on that fake bet!)

Cmonex, you're a true sweetie, so please read the following quotes very carefully:

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For what it's worth, I do think she's an asset to the boards but it's her decision as to what to do, and whatever she does I'll respect it.

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Although I am not part of the admiration society, I do believe that you are very intelligent and have much to offer this forum..........if you so choose?
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Now both of these gentlemen are magnanimously sticking out that proverbial olive branch to one degree or another, and it is now *your* turn to be the 'Big Man' here and graciously accept it. Time to start afresh, and let bygones be bygones. In America we sometimes call it 'burying the hatchet'.

That's not such an easy thing to do, but you know what? Hurricane John just publicly stated that you, cmonex, are very intelligent and have much to offer this forum. Chiark said you are an asset to these boards, and whatever you do (either stay or go) he will respect it. These are compliments given to you, here and now, under not so easy circumstances. You would do mighty well to return them in kind. Mighty well.

Hurricane John, get back in the admiration society! Listen, you and cmonex have been 'banging heads' for too long. Think of it like this. You know someone truly likeable and helpful, always there for the Little Guy. Maybe a really cool teacher you had in High School that was ALWAYS there for ALL the kids, no matter what. There is simply NO DOUBT in your mind that this teacher is a Good Person and Friend.

Now somebody else, the school Principal say, keeps coming up and quarreling with that truly likeable and admirable teacher, the one teacher you know for a FACT is a Good Person and Friend, and always helpful and kind.

What conclusions do you naturally tend to draw about that growling, snarling, school Principal?

I mention this because your 'olive branch offer' to cmonex referenced above gets *my* respect, and probably the respect of many others as well. It tells me/us that you are a person with higher level qualities within him. I know that cmonex can perhaps get a bit 'uppity' with you Power Folks on occasion (often rightfully so, I'd wager), and yes, you have the right to fire back ON THAT OCCASION. But I guarantee you that you do your reputation (and website) no long-term favors by being in a state of constant quarrel with the Mother Theresa of HPC's. Yet you are probably one of the top people in this very field.

Cmonex, enough of the soap opera now. At least 99.9% of us want you here, and maybe even 100%. So simply make nice with all and sundry, come back to HPC:Factor and STAY here, and do not take things too personally if stuff heats up occasionally. Nobody is perfect, including YOU, and from time to time flareups will happen. So be it. No big deal.

Want to hear something funny? When this HPC:Factor site went down I had just made a *general* forum comment (isotherm's thread) that I suddenly thought cmonex might have mistaken as applying only to her. I thought she was mad at me and had somehow managed to convince the Powers That Be (ie, C:Amie) to block my IP Address from accessing HPC:Factor. To verify this I tried surfing over to cmonex's website, and sure enough I couldn't get through! That (rascally!!) cmonex had blackballed me from the entire HPC Universe!

Arrrrrrrrrrgh!!!
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chiark Page Icon Posted 2007-02-21 4:28 AM
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What is up with HPC:Factor using a robots.txt (or whatever) to prevent archive sites like the Wayback Machine or Google Cache from keeping a copy of it?!


My bet would be on bandwidth and performance reasons. These things can leech an incredible amount of data and processing power, both of which cost money. I do agree that it's a shame that Usenet turned into the rabble it did - back in the early 90s it was a joy to use. Now it's populated by trolls and the insane, and that seems common throughout lots of groups. The decentralised control is both its biggest asset, and its biggest curse...


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not really.. but you have to love it when people assume this about you..

I think John's concern was more that the cmonex appreciation society might decide to attack him, not you. If something written could be taken in two or more ways, and one of those ways makes you think it's aimed at you, it's one of the other ways that was meant

Chess, I'd have taken that bet in a flash .
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