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| Many thanks for your help. I'll check. Another isuue: I need a printer driver for the same device. Any idea where I can get a sample for testing? My customer needs to be sure it works fine. |
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| If it is a PCL3 printer then it will work. Other wise there has to be a specific driver wirtten for that particular printer.
Otherwise your only hope is asking people such as these:
http://www.fieldsoftware.com/PrintPocketCE_WhatsNew.htm
If they have a CE4 core version. |
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H/PC Elder Posts: | 1,953 |
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| Impressive...
Perhaps there should be a maintained list. However I'd imagine person to do it must have an x86 CE device to test with.
Curious, which x86 CE device are you using? Does it work with ActiveSync? |
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| takwu - 2005-02-16 2:16 AM
Impressive...
Perhaps there should be a maintained list. However I'd imagine person to do it must have an x86 CE device to test with.
Curious, which x86 CE device are you using? Does it work with ActiveSync?
hmm ... x86 CE device?? interesting
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| Yes, very interesting indeed... Unfortunately, I think it would suffer from even less software support than we HPCers already face... Though it would be cool to put CE on some old 386 or 486 machines and see how fast they can get... |
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| surrealmonk - 2005-02-16 3:45 PM
Yes, very interesting indeed... Unfortunately, I think it would suffer from even less software support than we HPCers already face... Though it would be cool to put CE on some old 386 or 486 machines and see how fast they can get...
Yes ... esp to have it do instantON!!! Now that would be cool!
After using my MP790 for a few months, I realised this ... while it is instantON, doing certain things beyong basic PIM is sloooow ... eg browsing the web. Granted the web is constantly evolving, and I am really forcing a device released in 2001 (or '00 ) to struggle with new content designed in 2005, it is quite slow.
The PC (or notebook ) on the other hand, boots slow (depending on configuration ), but gets things done FAST! I even enable hibernation for the common PC that I sometimes use. So it boots up in 10sec or 20sec flat.
So if wince can be made to work on x86 machines, then you have instantON + fast reaction!!! hmm ... sounds like PXA chips?? |
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H/PC Philosopher Posts: | 310 |
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| Hey. I'm glad you guys found my list useful. If you are interested, my test device is the X86 CE device emulator that comes with various eVC++ SDKs and Platform Builder. I also occasionally boot the emulator images on my desktop PC natively. In case you didn't know, most of the emulator images included with the various WinCE SDKs not only boot on the Connectix Virtual PC based WinCE device emulator, but also on actual x86 PC hardware! ;P
So, you can in fact run the x86 builds of Pocket PC 2002, SmartPhone 2002, Pocket PC 2003, Smartphone 2003, Pocket PC 2003 SE, and Handheld PC 2000 natively on your desktop or laptop PC.
One of these days I guess I’ll make a website showing how to do this along with my other fun CE experiments...like running HPC apps on Smartphone.
I really do wish more authors supported X86 though. There are at least a few consumer/enterprise CE devices out there that use the x86 processor and most Pocket PC authors that use the emulators should already have a few x86 builds handy anyway... I imagine alot of them will make them available if you just ask, though. Good Luck! |
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H/PC Elder Posts: | 1,953 |
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| Booting CE on a laptop would be cool.
Is it free to get these images? And do they include standard apps? Sounds like a fun thing to try, and maybe even practical.
As for HPC apps on Smartphone...
Hey I actually do have a problem with Smartphone, maybe you can help, altho it'd be seriously off-topic
I use Microsoft Works to sync with my HPC. Works installs a small package on it in order to make it sync. It's compatible with CE 2 and up. But they haven't updated it forever, and unsurprisingly the CAB won't install on my Smartphone. I tried MS support for the heck of it, and they said "Smartphone is not a Windows CE device"
So I just wonder, can I use the same dll files from that package, but make a Smartphone installation for it, so Works can sync with the Smartphone? |
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H/PC Philosopher Posts: | 310 |
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| Hrm...
Is your Smartphone running Smartphone 2002 (CE 3.0 based ) or Smartphone 2003 (CE 4.2 Based )?
In Smartphone 2002, the Smartphone's Wceload.exe cab installer supported classic CE cab installs (CE 2.0+ ) as well as the new Smartphone cab format. However, starting with Smartphone 2003, support for legacy cabs was dropped and the Smartphone cab format seems to have been made mandatory. Many HPC and PPC applications install fine under SP2002 but will always refuse to install on SP2003. This also creates problems for authors that used the classic format for their Smartphone apps because they will refuse to install on SP2003. I imagine MS did it to force developers to use the compressed Smartphone cab format and decrease Over The Air download times.
If you are using Smartphone 2003, the easiest workaround for this limitation is to temporarily replace the Smartphone wceload.exe with a HPC or PPC one.
If you wish, I can upload a CE 4.2 wceload for you to try when I have the chance...
If the device you are using uses Smartphone 2002, it may not install through Activesync, but you should be able to install from a cab file on your device.
You can also edit or make a new cab file to install the files on Smartphone with OCP Software's WinCE Cab Manager utility. This tool will allow you to modify or create almost any type of Windows CE cab file.
Found here: http://www.ocpsoftware.com/download.php?nm=cecabmgr
Though, you should be aware that even if you do get it to install, there is no guarantee it will work with the Smartphone's version of the Pocket Outlook PIMS...
I dunno, so heres hoping!
Hope I was helpful Edited by TFGBD 2005-04-22 1:03 PM
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| please make this website!!!
or can you write it down here how to boot wince on an x86 pc.
thanks |
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Administrator H/PC Oracle Posts: | 18,024 |
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| x86 ce installation is very simple really, getting serial and ethernet is a bit more tricky as you are very much restricted to specific hardware.
The hpc2000 rom doesn't work properly and willl only load at 300x200 (unusable really) and all images are scaled back versions.
You also cannot save, so reboot the system and you go through a hard reset. |
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H/PC Oracle Posts: | 16,175 |
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| oh these are not good news do another roms work properly or not?
anyway still would be fun to try |
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Administrator H/PC Oracle Posts: | 18,024 |
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| Some will boot ok, but do not have the application suites of course |
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H/PC Elite Posts: | 566 |
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| If you can't be bothered to make that website. Would you be able to write a small guide/tutorial? I'll host it for you, and you'll also get full credit for it, It would be so interesting to stick CE on my old pc
Cheers
Nick |
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