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Competition: Name the Clearview XL43 UMPC
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Keep it "XL43 UMPC"C:Amie
Ultra XLthcrw739
FactorXL UMPCclintonfitchdotcom
MyPadCE Geek
XL720 PMPenjoy720
Get It XL43
Touch'N'Gozelgoddess
Sycoraxfrisser
XLR8Richard Plume
Visionary XL43Hurricane John
Auroralil
AuraPocketDVD
NermalPocketDVD
iCEPocketDVD
Carrieoldkr
Trinityclintonfitchdotcom
Omegaclintonfitchdotcom
Da Pimpclintonfitchdotcom
InfinitCEclintonfitchdotcom
Humongousfrisser
YoBot!Sch01ar
PeeDeeAyeSch01ar
whenCE?Sch01ar
Edge CE
Strawberry
Xecutive AssistantPocketBrain
GenomeShadowMaster
Quickie
iRos CEDan
UTOPIA XL43
TangoPenelopePete
ImpressUMPCJules
Portal
OxygentAKG
iPDARJ99
iCVpad ('CV' = 'Clearview')RJ99
Horizon (goes nice with 'Clearview'!)RJ99
Ibox (Idiot Box - old term for TV set)MagneticPortal
MobileView XL43 or MobilePadViewHPC-PDA
Titanzllive
Alienzllive
Capezllive
Alphazllive
PODzllive
BL@CKzllive
NINJ@zllive
WinPODnygranpa
Extent
Myelin
Genius XLRich Hawley
ClearPad CEWeyounNine
MobileMateWeyounNine
WinPadWeyounNine
PowerPadWeyounNine
QuantumWeyounNine
Companion XLWeyounNine
Zeno
Zenu
HarmonyWeyounNine
UnityWeyounNine
Sidekick CEWeyounNine
SavantWeyounNine
OmniPadWeyounNine
OmniViewWeyounNine
LuminaWeyounNine
ArgosWeyounNine
XFactor
OmniTron
Xpanse
Great Beyond
Blue Horizon (should be made in a sky blue)
Sky Master
InfiniPad
Oracle
TouchStone
KeyMaster
EncycloPod
DRiVER (All upper case except for the "i")
Dash Rider
Where 2
Ice Screen
4ward
OnTheRoad
Know It All
The MPower
World Window
NCompass
iNtellect XL43mr-mac
iNtellectmr-mac
BizRunnerrenovated
eRunnerrenovated
iRunnerrenovated
eDArenovated
iDArenovated
GoToo
Cassiopeia
Clearview 4you
XCEedShadowMaster
Mobilia 1250hackjackal
Open Eyethcrw739
WhupAssPad
SheerVision
Vision XL43
NexusWeyounNine
eXLCEentvintagehandhelds
Beau4Jules
MindUJules
PannoniaJules
MarsanaJules
SolvaJules
evokerkennc
WISH XL43
HPC One
MiniNOVA
THINK_BOX
XPIthcrw739
Clearview EvolutionRTFM
MegaHP 43The Bishop
XpocaLyptic43The Bishop
VisionHPC 43The Bishop
AbascHPCThe Bishop
GlobalHPCThe Bishop
XtaCEmichelbel
SimpleXLurb
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XLevelurb
Xcalibururb
aXLerurb
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Clearismaurb
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Multimaurb
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Tuxedourb
BoostBoxurb
Itopiaurb
Smartopiaurb
ZenToo / TooZenurb
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Geared2003 Page Icon Posted 2007-04-17 2:31 PM
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Find a brand name is not an easy task: intellectual property rights are a really tough matter. You can't just give any name, because a Trade Mark may be already registered...

Anyway, what about "Handheld PC", which has been abandoned by MS...?

BTW, MIPS based processors are coming back !
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CE Geek Page Icon Posted 2007-04-17 3:11 PM
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This is the best poll ever.
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CE Geek Page Icon Posted 2007-04-19 2:40 AM
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Very esoteric, ShadowMaster.

Interesting suggestion under yours - I can already picture a TV commercial with a sexy woman saying, "Hey, want a Quickie?" and then whipping it out. (No, the UMPC, dummy.)
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trying 2 get some ideas flowing....

unfortuantely, mips cpu means no way for skype. yah, no official skype for Wince 5, it is only for WM5. but at least some chances of hacking Skype for PPC on CE5, it this monster is built on ARM CPU.

yah, i knew AMD MIPS CPU now is very powerful and Intel (and the new Company that purchased Xscale CPU) had not come up with some really powerful ARM CPU recently..... But, still, ARM CPU is the best supported one in Mobile platform.

So, XL43 users have to heavily rely on preinstalled softwares and there is little hope of getting 3rd software. Say, there is ZERO GPS Navigation software for MIPS CPU.

Clearview, pls do the software job right and provide users with enough software. Only in this way can the awesome hardware power be FULLY UNLEASHED.

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Let me clarify a few mistakes in your logic;
1. All the drivers are coded my ourselves.
2. The CPU is an RMI (AMD) ALCHEMY AU1250. RMI purchased the ALCHEMY CPU line from AMD about 6 months ago. You can find more info here: http://www.razamicroelectronics.com/products_alchemy/
3. We are not looking to "hack" SKYPE since that would be = lawsuit! We have contacted SKYPE so that we can code the drivers ourselves...We are still waiting. On the other hand have tested and a functional VOIP feature (through VOIP service providers) using our own soft phone software. Of course you need a connection to the NET through WIFI or hard wire. Finally the unit has a built in MIC/HEADPHONES and SPEAKERS.
4. The XL43 comes with GPS NAVIGATION and it is also FULLY FUNCTIONAL. For US/CANADA market we are including the TELE ATALS navigation map with 11 MILLION POI, TEXT TO VOICE FEATURE + A CAR STAND.

We will support some third pary software. More details on this at a later date.

PS. The detailed specs will be posted very shortly... Keep checking HPCFactor!
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iamjoe Page Icon Posted 2007-04-20 3:25 AM
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Let me clarify a few mistakes in your logic;
1. All the drivers are coded my ourselves.
2. The CPU is an RMI (AMD) ALCHEMY AU1250. RMI purchased the ALCHEMY CPU line from AMD about 6 months ago. You can find more info here: http://www.razamicroelectronics.com/products_alchemy/
3. We are not looking to "hack" SKYPE since that would be = lawsuit! We have contacted SKYPE so that we can code the drivers ourselves...We are still waiting. On the other hand have tested and a functional VOIP feature (through VOIP service providers) using our own soft phone software. Of course you need a connection to the NET through WIFI or hard wire. Finally the unit has a built in MIC/HEADPHONES and SPEAKERS.
4. The XL43 comes with GPS NAVIGATION and it is also FULLY FUNCTIONAL. For US/CANADA market we are including the TELE ATALS navigation map with 11 MILLION POI, TEXT TO VOICE FEATURE + A CAR STAND.

We will support some third pary software. More details on this at a later date.

PS. The detailed specs will be posted very shortly... Keep checking HPCFactor!


1. of course, clearview codes the preinstalled software (system core excluded) itself, as the hardware system builder. because clearview designs this product, not just buys an OEM/ODM product from another design company like HTC or TFW. No one will expect a 3rd party, other than clearview, to code the preinstalled software.

2. I know AMD sold out Alchemy CPU too, i just forgot to write about. I am not those guys who only knows about WM5 and ARM CPU, or I would not know Marvell bought Xscale CPU Series from Intel.

3-4: i know hacking software (even legaly owned) for other platform is illegal for a company. it is not even legal for personal uses.

all the concerns on software above is from users' perspective, not from Clearview. i am only writing about users' concern for the lack of software. Let users themselves deal with the legal issue, if they want to hack some owned software for personal use.

btw, on a mobile device, more software means more choices and is certainly better. I know u have preinstalled navigation software for uS and Canada. But how about UK users, Germany users, Australia Users?
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Sorry if my reply got you all defensive. It wasn't my intention.

About the software you have to understand a simple fact; a hardware manufacturer can't also be a software company. Also in this case it's more than just a simple component manufacturer. We are talking about almost 4years of R&D to finally have a finished UMPC that is made of over 250+ diffrent components and it is only the size of your palm. Of course the driver coding is also coded to be able to support all the hardware. Now imagine that that we have to code diffrent applications for the pc to have an ideal product. It is possible, even if it is not the company's main expertese. This is the ideal solution for end users. Unfortunately on the business side it is suicide, since your are postponing the product launch. You are not selling. You are not making profit. You are out of business. Investing years of R&D and millions of dollars in a product for it to be a flop because by the time you launch the product it will be obsolete? Hope this helps clarify the business perspective

Here are the Maps provided for the diffrent markets on the XL43 UMPC;

TELE ATLAS
1. North America (Canada+USA)

NAVTEQ
2. EU (Germany+Austria+Switzerland+France+Spain+Portugal+BeNeLux+Italy+UK+Ireland+Denmark+Sweden+Norway+Finland)
3. Middle East (Bahrain+Kuwait+Oman+Qatar+Saudi+Arabia+United Arab Emirates)
4. Asia Pacific (Hongkong+Macau+Malaysia+Singapor+Taiwan)
5. Brazil
6. Russia
7. Mexico
8. South Africa
9. Australia
10. Thailand
11. China

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Dear Clearview,

The MIPS Architecture for WindowsCE devices is (at the moment) virtually dead among software development. The release of the AMD cpu should bring this back to life, however, you will (probably) be one of the first to release a device based on it. This means that the Aura (sorry, couldn't help it) will be on release a new platform. Looking at the game-console market, it's not really the hardware that sells, but the software.
The bundle of software you provide is very impressive, but it will not be enough for most people.
(it never is)

You might want to look at the strategy of the GP2X/GPX handheld, which provides every owner with full access to dev-tools, resources and the likes to allow people to create their own programs easely.
By including an SDK available online, on CD/DVD, you ensure a bigger success. I personally would even go as far to contact some people who have experience in development for WindowsCE devices (non-commercial) to provide some additional software, and possibly get them on board to provide development support online by use of a forum.

By contacting HPC-Factor, you have made a big step in getting the community onboard, but, and now I probably will get flamed, there are not many dev guys on here that would be able to port applications to your device.

Applications that I am thinking of are simple emulators for certain populair hardware, game-consoles, classic computers etc.

However, once you have a name for the device, and provided the specs, I will personally add the device to DVD Catalyst.
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Would it be that difficult to include a comprehensive SDK package on a microdisk with every unit?
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HPC-PDA Page Icon Posted 2007-04-21 2:39 PM
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MobileView XL43 or MobilePadView
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Dear Clearview,

The MIPS Architecture for WindowsCE devices is (at the moment) virtually dead among software development. The release of the AMD cpu should bring this back to life, however, you will (probably) be one of the first to release a device based on it. This means that the Aura (sorry, couldn't help it) will be on release a new platform. Looking at the game-console market, it's not really the hardware that sells, but the software.
The bundle of software you provide is very impressive, but it will not be enough for most people.
(it never is)

You might want to look at the strategy of the GP2X/GPX handheld, which provides every owner with full access to dev-tools, resources and the likes to allow people to create their own programs easely.
By including an SDK available online, on CD/DVD, you ensure a bigger success. I personally would even go as far to contact some people who have experience in development for WindowsCE devices (non-commercial) to provide some additional software, and possibly get them on board to provide development support online by use of a forum.

By contacting HPC-Factor, you have made a big step in getting the community onboard, but, and now I probably will get flamed, there are not many dev guys on here that would be able to port applications to your device.

Applications that I am thinking of are simple emulators for certain populair hardware, game-consoles, classic computers etc.

However, once you have a name for the device, and provided the specs, I will personally add the device to DVD Catalyst.


Dear Mr "Pocket DVD"

You are absolutely right about the popularity of the MIPS architecture in the industry as a whole. It is true that I asked the community to get involved and see if we can find our XL43 a name. I my opinion this is the best way to "go to market" with a new "product", getting as much feedback as possible from the hpc community. As well, this is not something you can do at a to early stage in development or at very late stage.

What I am looking forward to is hearing feedbacks and suggestions that are very similar to yours.
Having a "sexy" product name but offering a limited amount of software/support will simply result in one more UMPC failure. As of today there is not one product on the market that managed to stand out and succeed.
Here is my personal view on what a UMPC is all about . The consumers will decide if I am right or wrong. The UMPC category of products was defined by Microsoft and Intel. They came up with the "official" guidelines in terms of minimum/maximum amount of specifications that a product must have to fall in this category. It is not hard to figure out that since these two companies a biased they wouldn't consider anything other than their products where applicable.

UMPC DEFINITION BY INTEL: CPU REQUIRED -> INTEL CPU MODEL XYZ etc...
UMPC DEFINITION BY MICROSOFT: OS REQUIRED -> MS WINDOWS VISTA etc..
(Microsoft dropped XP from the OS requirement shortly after Vista was launched)

This obviously means that if a product qualifies in this category in terms of all other specs and it has an AMD CPU it is not a UMPC. It is self explanatory for us that for Intel our product is not a UMPC. Since MS only considers VISTA platforms products as UMPC we didn't "qualify" in their perspective. Unfortunately for Microsoft this "VISTA BY DECREE" strategy has backfired since as recently as this week their NR 1 partner INTEL announced their new "vision" of what a UMPC will look like in the future. Unfortunately for MS it looks like INTEL vision of the future UMPC's are based on a LINUX platform These new INTEL products are called: MID (MOBILE INTERNET DEVICE) formerly known as UMPCs.

As of today, I still categorize the XL43 as a UMPC product and here is why;
In my view the XL43 defines what is the meaning of the acronym UMPC. In other words the XL43 is a ULTRA MOBILE PORTABLE COMPUTER.
The XL 43 is ULTRA MOBILE simply because it is small and light. You will not feel like you are carrying a PC, and that is the way you should feel. Battery life is 6hrs min. and 14 hrs max. Yes indeed up to 14hrs!
Let's also recap a few basic specs/features on the XL43: WIFI INTERNET ACCESS, E-MAIL, MSN, VOIP, WEB, OFFICE FILE READER (WRITER TBD), MULTIMEDIA PLAYER (DIVX, MP3 etc), SD, BLUETOOTH, USB 2.0, VOICE RECORDER,
FM RADIO, DIGITAL CAMERA, DIGITAL VIDEO CAMERA, GPS/NAVIGATION (EMAP WITH 11MIL POI, TEXT TO VOICE)... Finally, we didn't forget the KEYBOARD which is also very portable...

In my view, consumers in general (when they think UMPC) have the wrong expectations. The UMPC's where never meant as laptop or a desktop replacements. A UMPC is there to fill in the blanks while you are on the go. A UMPC was meant to keep you in CONTACT with your FAMILY/FRIENDS, to keep you INFORMED, provide you with ENTERTAINMENT and to CAPTURES "SPECIAL MOMENTS" in your life as a digital picture or video format.
On the other hand the manufacturers didn't succed because they built their products based on the flawed expectations that consumers have of UMPCs.
It will take a VERY LONG TIME for the UMPC to retail sub 500.00$ USD, for the battery to last over 12hrs (full load), for it to match the functionality/performance of a laptop/desktop while being able to fit in your pocket. On top of all this we has the "QWERTY" issue.

Finally, I want to emphasis on one important factor; What I have mentioned above is to be considered as a personal opinion and nothing more. Under any circumstance I am not implying that our product is better or worst than any of our competitor's products. Only one person can decide on this and that is YOU.


Getting back to where we left of....
Presently here is what I am considering in terms of softwares and support for the XL43;
1. Softwares that already offers support for our platform.
2. Softwares that does not offer support.
3. Providing the SDK to our customers on our website

Please feel free to post any comments or questions.

PS. The detailed XL43 specs will be announced in a few hours right here on HPCFactor.

Thank you all!
Tomas Csaba
Clearview Technology

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We are considering an SDK pack and we will do our best to provide a good solution in this regard.

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