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Originally dubbed the “Eee PC 701” to accommodate other models with different screen sizes, the name has since been shortened to simply “Eee PC”. Asus's officially announced models are the Eee PC 8G, 4G, 4G Surf and 2G Surf, all of which feature the same 7” screen. There is speculation that future models with different sizes may one day be released.

The ASUS Eee PC (pronounced “E P C”1)) is an ultraportable notebook computer with prices under $399. It was developed jointly by Intel and ASUSTeK based on Intel's Classmate PC project but with an aim for the consumer market. Unlike some broadly similar devices, notably Ultra-Mobile PCs and upcoming Mobile Internet Devices, the Eee features a traditional clamshell design, a touchpad pointing device, and a QWERTY laptop keyboard. Its appeal lies in its combination of portability, low cost, relatively high performance, and familiar ease of use. In this regard, it is sometimes compared to the OLPC XO-1, a low-cost educational laptop from the One Laptop Per Child project.

Models

(Source: Official Eee PC product page and user reports)
Model Name Eee PC 8G Eee PC 4G Eee PC 4G Surf Eee PC 2G Surf
Availability (2007) End of November Now Now End of November
Price (in USD) ? $399 $349 ?
Available Colors ? Pearl White, Galaxy Black Galaxy Black ?
Included Accessories ? Carrying case ? ?
Memory (RAM) 1 GB (DDR2) 512 MB (DDR2) 512 MB (DDR2) 256 MB (DDR2)
Solid-State Drive 8 GB 4 GB 4 GB 2 GB
Built-in webcam VGA (640×480) @ 30 fps None
Battery 4 Cells: 5200 mAh, 3.5hrs* 4 Cells: 4400 mAh, 2.8hrs*
Display 6” by 3.6” or 7” diagonal. 800px X 480px WVGA. 133.3ppi
CPU 900 MHz Intel Celeron M ULV 353
Operating System Custom Linux OS; Windows XP (upcoming, can be user-installed)
Wired Networking 10/100 Mbps Ethernet
Wireless Networking 802.11b/g Wi-Fi
Audio High Definition Audio with built-in stereo speakers and built-in microphone
Weight 0.92 kg (2.0 lbs)

(* This is the manufacturer-estimated battery life. Actual battery life may vary with usage.)

Availability

As of November 23, 2007, the Eee PC is available in several configurations and colors in many parts of the world. An EeeUser.com forum thread lists a number of online retailers. Widespread retail availability is expected in late 2007 or early 2008. ASUS has set a conservative global sales target of 200,000 units for 2007, presumably limited by production, that will increase to between 300,000 and 500,000 by March 2008 and to over three million by the end of that year. Given indications of high demand, initial allocation in any region is expected to be very tight.

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June 5, 2007: ASUS announces the Eee PC 701 and 1001 at Computex Taipei 2007
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June 8, 2007: EeeUser.com born
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October 16, 2007: Eee PC 4G officially announced in Taiwan, sales begin.
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November 01, 2007: Eee PC 4G Pearl White available from many online retailers in the USA.
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Mid-November, 2007: Eee PC 4G and 4G Surf in Galaxy Black available from retailers in the USA.

Unlike some broadly similar devices, notably UMPCs and upcoming MIDs, this computer features the traditional clamshell design, touchpad pointing device, and QWERTY laptop keyboard. However, for storage it uses a solid-state drive (SSD) based on non-volatile NAND flash memory, rendering it much less susceptible to shock damage. Random-access times should be substantially lower than that of mechanical hard drives, as well, but sustained transfer rates (read and write) will likely also be lower. In practical use, the SSD allows the computer to boot quickly while consuming less power and extending battery life.

The exterior design is fairly symmetrical, and the computer is inclined toward the user at a shallow angle to ease typing. It appears the slightly recessed touchpad has one large button, but it works like two 2) 3) 4) (as is the case with ASUS's A8 series of notebooks); a marked scroll strip can be seen on the right edge. The 80-key keyboard is considerably smaller than full-size (most keys measure 1.5 x 1.3 cm5)), as would be expected, but the widescreen display does not fill the panel space and leaves an unusually wide bezel all around. The surrounding black area is used for an optional fixed webcam (top), ASUS logo (bottom), and stereo speakers (sides). The chrome power button resides on the right side of a sturdy-looking hinge, next to the Eee PC logo, and a horizontal array of four different-colored status LEDs lines the front-right edge. These are indicators for power (green, flashes on standby), low-battery warning (red), disk access (blue), and Wi-Fi (aqua), in that order.

The removable battery sits at the bottom-back, which raises the possibility for extended packs for longer runtimes (though ASUS says it has no plans to offer such batteries6)). It is held securely in place by dual sliding latches, one on either side. The integrated microphone is located on the bottom toward the front. Also on the bottom is a centrally located panel cover secured by two small Phillips-head screws, and this compartment is surrounded by a series of vent holes for a reportedly quiet fan. The panel cover enables replacement of RAM7) and installation of a PCI Express Mini Card device in an unoccupied slot; however, the slot is only available in the earliest batches of Eee PCs, and units with serial numbers starting with “7B” and beyond no longer have the slot8). Finally, four rubber feet (two round ones at the front, two long at the back) elevate the notebook off the surface for proper airflow intake.

On the left side of the computer, from front to back: 3.5mm (1/8”) color-coded headphone (lime green) and microphone (pink) ports, one USB 2.0 port, and RJ11 (nonfunctional, protected by rubber cover) and RJ45 jacks. On the right side: MMC(plus)/SD(HC) card reader (one slot, flush-fitting), two USB 2.0 ports, VGA-out connector (without screw terminals), and Kensington Security Slot. (A design limitation prevents simultaneous use of the latter two9), a problem which has been observed on some other ASUS notebooks.) A DC power-input jack (9.5V x 2.315A = 22W) is the only connection on the back; it is to the immediate left of the battery when viewed from the front. The included AC-DC adapter/charger (100-240V @ 50/60Hz input) is very small, akin to that for a mobile phone10), and has a long, thin cable of about two meters11).

Reports say the chassis is well-assembled but somewhat flimsy, as can be expected given the price range. However, select models ship with a black, ASUS-branded neoprene carrying case that fits tightly to absorb vibration from shock when on the move. Other items in the package include a Quick Use Guide, 104-page User Guide, sheet on technical updates, Support DVD-ROM (contains Windows XP drivers, currently at Rev. 1.3, and an image of the default Xandros installation) in white paper sleeve, battery notice, and warranty card. Optional accessories may include an as-yet unannounced ASUS AiGuru U1 wired USB handset for Skype12), ASUS wired notebook optical mouse (various colors), larger and higher-capacity 6-cell Li-ion battery, and a wireless base station whose connection with the computer is not clear; a GPS navigation kit may be offered at a later date.13)

Specifications

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Display: 7? WVGA (800×480) TFT-LCD with LED backlight14)
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Processor: 900MHz Intel Celeron M ULV 353
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Chipset: Mobile Intel 910GML Express
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Graphics: Intel GMA 900 (integrated) with external VGA-out connector
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Memory: 256MB (non-upgradeable), 512MB, or 1GB single-channel DDR2-400 (PC2-3200) SDRAM15)
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Storage: 2, 4, or 8GB SSD (non-upgradeable16))
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BIOS: American Megatrends, Inc. (AMI)17)
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OS: Customized Xandros Linux with Easy Mode and Desktop Mode
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Wired communications: 10/100 Mbps Ethernet (Atheros L2)
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Wireless communications: 802.11b/g Wi-Fi mini PCI express card: Atheros AR5BXB63
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Ports: 3 USB 2.0, MMC(plus)/SD(HC) card reader, microphone and headphone
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Webcam (on 4G and 8G models only): VGA (640×480) @ up to 30 fps
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Audio: 5.1-channel High Definition Audio (Realtek ALC66218)); built-in stereo speakers and built-in microphone
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Battery life: 3.5 hours (4-cell Li-ion: 7.4V, 5200mAh, 2S2P) for 8G and 4G models; 2.8 hours (4-cell: 4400mAh) for 4G Surf and 2G Surf models
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Dimensions: 22.5 x 16.4 x 2.15~3.5 cm (8.86 x 6.46 x 0.846~1.4 in)
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Weight: 0.92 kg (2.0 lbs)
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Colors: Pearl White, Galaxy Black; Lush Green, Sky Blue, Blush Pink (upcoming)
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Prices (North America): $399 (4G), $349 (4G Surf); prices for other models not yet released

Processor

900MHz Intel Celeron M ULV 353 (Dothan-512, Ultra Low Voltage)19)

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Packaging: Socket 479 mPGA
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Manufacturing process: 90nm
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FSB: 100MHz x 4 = 400MHz
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Multiplier: 9
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Multimedia instruction sets: MMX, SSE, SSE2
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L1 cache: 64KB
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L2 cache: 512KB
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Voltage: 0.94V
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TDP: 5.5W

Chipset

Mobile Intel 910GML Express20)

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supports up to DDR2-400
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ICH6-M southbridge

Graphics

Intel GMA 900 (integrated) with external VGA-out connector

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166MHz/160MHz @ 1.05V
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8MB video memory by default
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supports dual independent displays, up to at least 1600×128021)

Memory

256MB, 512MB, or 1GB single-channel DDR2-400 (PC2-3200) SDRAM (8MB allocated to video memory by default)

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256MB: Qimonda HYB18T512161BF-25 (64MB x 4)22) integrated (non-upgradeable)
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512MB: SiS SSX264M8-J6E23) (64MB x 8, 667MHz @ 400MHz, CL5)24) in (1 of 1) 200-pin SO-DIMM, user-upgradeable up to 1GB (:!: The RAM cover is sealed with a warranty sticker and upgrading will void the warranty.)

Storage

2, 4, or 8GB SSD with Silicon Motion SM223 controller25) and Hynix NAND flash memory26) (non-upgradeable), common in portable media players

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2GB: Hynix HY27UG088G5M (1GB x 2)
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4GB: Hynix HY27UG088G5M (1GB x 4)

Connectivity

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Wired communications: 10/100 Mbps Ethernet (Atheros L2)
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Wireless communications: 802.11b/g Wi-Fi (Atheros AR5BXB63)

Software
Operating System

The Eee PC home screen

Originally the computer was to be released only with a custom Linux OS, but the manufacturer has since decided to offer a variant with Microsoft Windows XP at a later date (probably December 2007) and at a higher price (but significantly discounted). As the Windows installation is presumed to be typical of that operating system, this section covers only the Linux OS. (Note: Most of the information here is applicable to the entire Eee PC series.)

Thanks to a relatively lean operating system and quick-access SSD, the computer reportedly boots in under ten seconds (ASUS claims within fifteen) and shuts down in five, though some estimates put boot times at up to thirty seconds. The boot screen (with ASUS and Eee PC logos) presents this message: “Press F2 to run Setup. Press TAB to display BIOS POST Message”. The BIOS allows the user to make limited changes to the system, including changing the time and date, changing the boot priority, and enabling and disabling onboard devices. The integrated webcam is disabled by default, so the user would have to enable it here to use it in the operating system.

Upon first boot the user is prompted to consent to the end-user license agreement (EULA) that accompanies the operating system, set the keyboard layout, register their full name, enter and confirm a password, and set the time and date. The user should then click Finish and be taken directly to Easy Mode (see below), which is the default destination on subsequent boots.

The OS is an ASUS-customized variant of Xandros Linux (based on Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 [”etch”], kernel 2.6.22) with Easy Mode and Desktop Mode designed for novice and advanced users, respectively. As with a normal Xandros installation, this Linux distribution runs the K Desktop Environment (KDE) by default. Easy Mode is a menu system that consists of a custom tabbed interface, organized by task, with large icons under each tab to launch applications, files, or websites. Desktop Mode is essentially the normal Xandros desktop (but without Xandros branding) and resembles the Windows XP desktop environment, in particular the original Luna visual style. The default theme is Silver, and there are three more preinstalled (Green, Orange, and Blue).

The following details were observed on a late engineering sample with 4GB SSD, 512MB RAM, and webcam.27) Internal storage is divided into four partitions, the first two of which are combined via UnionFS: OS partition (2.7GB, ext2), home partition (1.3GB, ext2), a FAT32 partition (8MB), and an EFI partition (8MB). (No swap partition is configured by default.) Of the 4GB total capacity, only about 1.3GB is available to the user (excluding any free space remaining on the OS partition), which suggests that the base 2GB model (2G Surf) will ship with less software preinstalled.

The computer features a voice-recognition program (Settings ? VoiceCommand) that can launch applications (a total of sixteen) and shut down the system. The user must prepend the word “computer” before each command, as in “computer web” and “computer mail”. Once the command is registered the computer echoes back the command and executes it. According to one source, however, the software is “a bit too sensitive”28) (translated from Chinese) and is less effective in high-noise environments.
Easy Mode

(A user-created online demo of the Easy Mode interface is available.)

This mode, which uses the IceWM window manager, is the default mode upon boot. Horizontal tabs run across the top of the screen, and once clicked, the active tab's icons are laid out below in a grid-like structure (specifically, a 3-by-5 matrix at the default resolution). As is the norm, icons must be double-clicked to launch. There may be multiple levels of icons, in which case a navigation bar (with a back button) appears below the tabs once the user leaves the top-most level. According to one report29), there is no need for a second (right-click) touchpad button in this software environment, which ASUS calls their “one-click intuitive interface.”

There are six tabs, in this order: Internet, Work, Learn, Play, Settings, Favorites; plus a Help button in the top-right corner. They present the following icons, in their respective order (from left to right, top to bottom):

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Internet: Web Mail, Web, iGoogle, Messenger, Skype, Network, eBook, Google Docs, World Clock, Wikipedia, Internet Radio, Wireless Networks
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Work: Accessories, Documents, Spreadsheets, Presentations, PDF Reader, Mail, File Manager, Dictionary, Notes
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Learn: Science, Language, Math, Paint, Web Learn
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Play: Games (7), Media Player, Music Manager, Photo Manager, Video Manager, Webcam, Sound Recorder
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Settings: Anti-Virus, Volume, Instant Shutdown, Printers, System Info, Date & Time, Personalization, Add/Remove Software, Touchpad, External Display, Disk Utility, Diagnostic Tools, Desktop Mode, VoiceCommand
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Favorites: Asus.com, Customize (allows the user to add frequently used programs to this tab for quick access, or to remove them, via a custom utility)

There is a panel on the bottom of the screen, analogous to the Windows taskbar, that shows currently open programs and has a notification area on its right. The panel can be hidden by clicking the icon with a rightward-pointing triangle on the far right, or invoked by clicking the icon with a home symbol on the far left, which also minimizes all open programs. The notification area contains, at a minimum, status indicators for Wi-Fi, battery, Num Lock, Caps Lock, and volume and a digital clock. Three icons are always present to its right; these are shortcuts to the Task Manager, the ASUS FAQ web page, and the shutdown dialog (which can also be invoked by pressing the power button).
Advanced Desktop Mode

This mode was made easily accessible on prototype systems, but that is not the case for production machines; the user must perform “hacks” to enable this functionality. (See Enabling Advanced Desktop Mode.) It is typical of a “full-blown” Linux graphical desktop, in particular a KDE desktop, and allows the user to do most anything that can be done in Linux, save for perhaps some commands in the shell. The default desktop icons are Trash, Home, and Quick Start Guide (Is this true?). Also by default, there are two switchable desktop sessions. Shortcuts to Firefox, Thunderbird, File Manager, and Show Desktop (in that order) are to the right of the Launch button on the bottom panel.
Included Applications

More than 40 applications are included, most of which are open-source and licensed under GPLv2, with the exception of Adobe Reader and Skype. Version numbers are provided where known.

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Adobe Reader - PDF reader
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Crack Attack! - Tetris Attack-based game
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Disk Utility
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FBReader - e-book reader
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Frozen-Bubble - Puzzle Bobble-style game
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Fraction Tutorial
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Function Plotter
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Geometry
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GNOME Sudoku - puzzle game
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GSynaptics - touchpad configuration utility
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Hangman Game
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KCalc - calculator
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Klondike - solitaire card game
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Kontact - personal information manager
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KPresenter - presentation program
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KSnapshot - screen-capture program
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KStars - planetarium program
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KWorldClock - world clock
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Letter Game
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Longman Dictionary
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LTris - Tetris game
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Mozilla Firefox 2.0.0.7 - graphical web browser
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Mozilla Thunderbird - email client
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mtPaint - bitmap graphics editor
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Notes
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SMPlayer - media player
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OpenOffice.org 2.0 - office suite
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Periodic Table - interactive table of the elements
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Pidgin 2.0.2 - instant messaging client
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PlanetPenguin Racer - 3D racing game
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Potato Guy - potato editor for children
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Project Management
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Skype 1.4 for Linux - P2P VoIP program
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Sound Recorder
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Tux of Math Command - math tutorial program for children
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Tux Paint - bitmap graphics editor for children ages 3 to 12
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Tux Typing - typing tutorial program for children
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UCView - video-capture program for webcam
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Xandros Antivirus (powered by ClamAV)
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Xandros File Manager (replaces Konqueror in KDE)
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Xandros Music Manager (powered by Amarok)
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Photo Manager (powered by Gwenview)
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Video Manager (customized view of File Manager)

The user can add, remove, and update applications through the Add/Remove Software utility under the Settings tab. While there are none to add at this time, ASUS has promised to certify applications and make them available via this method.30) Of course, experienced users can install applications manually, but they will not be integrated into the Easy Mode menu.

It is uncertain whether this customized variant of Xandros can make use of the Xandros Networks package manager, a proprietary apt-based download tool that handles updating and installation of software from a large online repository. Normally, registered users of Xandros get a free subscription to this service.
Windows and Other OSes

The Eee PC is capable of running other operating systems, but the hardware limitations of the device must be kept in mind. Although it is possible to install most Linux distributions and Windows XP, other operating systems may pose problems due to the relative lack of driver support for the Eee PC's Atheros network card. Additionally, the Eee PC lacks an integrated optical drive, so users who wish to install Windows or an alternative OS must boot from a USB device (usually flash memory or an external CD/DVD drive).

The main wiki page offers instructions for installing other operating systems on the Eee PC.

Windows XP on the Eee PC
Windows

ASUS plans to eventually offer a variant of the computer with Microsoft Windows XP preinstalled31). In the meantime, Windows XP can be manually installed by the user. ASUS provides instructions for doing so in the User Guide and official Windows XP drivers are provided on the included recovery CD.

Earlier versions of Windows will probably not work without proper drivers (perhaps with the exception of 2000, given its NT roots and similarity to XP). Running Windows Vista is most definitely out of the question, not only because of the need for drivers, but also because of the computer's performance and space constraints (notably CPU, RAM, and graphics capabilities).
Other Linux Distributions

An engineering sample has been shown on video running PCLinuxOS and an unidentified Linux distribution in Live CD mode.32)
Mac OS X

:!: Warning: Under its EULA, Apple prohibits (and thus makes illegal) the usage of Mac OS on any non-Apple hardware.

A user has successfully installed Mac OS X v10.5 “Leopard” using OSx86 and a workaround for the Pentium M-based CPU's lack of support for the SSE3 instruction set required by Apple's Rosetta dynamic translator.33) Rosetta enables applications compiled for the PowerPC architecture to run on x86 processors.
Community Projects

Well before the release of the computer, there has been considerable interest in the community regarding an operating system (using the Linux kernel) and applications suite (of the GNU variety) optimized specifically for its limited combination of hardware, which is similar to that of an embedded system in this respect. The main reasons for this development include constraints on processor performance and hard-disk space and, notably, the low-resolution screen (especially in the vertical dimension). Also, it is believed that the default K Desktop Environment is too demanding on precious resources and that an alternative, lightweight DE like Xfce would be more suitable.

The first community project was EeeNix, led by former EeeUser.com forum member bbz_Ghost. It was later shut down by its founder (with rights to the name reserved), but new efforts such as The New Desktop Project and The Untitled Eee Project (TUEP) were quickly launched to fill the void. Development is ongoing, and to-be users are encouraged to contribute.

More information on Linux distribution projects for the Eee PC series can be found in the Eee PC Linux Distribution Projects subforum.

Hope This Helps

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bvjones Page Icon Posted 2007-12-04 10:28 PM
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Is there ANYTHING else one could possibly add? Other than locations where we can find stray $100 bills?
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Link below that lists and sells currently planned Eee PC models. Include three versions of the original $299 version
that are comming soon to North American market.

http://www.directron.com/alleeepcs.html

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Thanks Bruised. That's ALMOST as good as a spare $100 bill... Maybe I'll get a green or blue one (as long as it's a NICE green or blue). Let us know when the colors are posted.
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You can see the most popular colors at Newegg.com, the major seller of EeePC in North America. So far, Galaxy Black and Pearl White are the popular choice. Asus is
totally surprised at the instant popularity of the Eee. They made it with children in
mind, which explains the bright color choice. There expensive ads in PC World and PC Computing promoted them as a cool PC for the teenager.

I'm holding off on buying for about a year, as I always do with new tech. I may well
end up not buying a 701 or 702 at all. Asus and Intel are finishing a Silverthorn ( radically new mobile processor, smaller than a penny, wafer thin, uses 1/10th the power of any
processor) on a tiny new Menlow platform version of the Eee. It will ship with a 9"
widescreen display with 1024x800 resolution. Asus will produce 5 million Eee units
in 2008 & the 702 8gb model was released two weeks before Christmas. A 16gb unit
will come early 2008. So, I plan in any case to get the 4gb version for significantly less
next fall. Its all you need, since you can slot 2gb DDR2 RAM in place of the 512MB RAM and an 8gb SDHC card.

Linux is snappy and XP runs well on the 4gb as it comes. Win 2000 SP4 is significantly
smaller and runs fast. A lot of power users are using external HDD & SDHC to install
XP and programs. Some have install Warcraft and say they are pleased at how it
runs; Smoothly they say.

--Bruised

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Hi - When I investigated buying one of these, I was concerned that it doesn't have a USB Slave socket - thus as far as I am aware there is no way to synchronise it via Active Sync with a work and home PC - Contacts, Calendar and E-mail?

Or is there a method I am not aware of for doing this?

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Well, this is not really an HPC so there is no synchronization, as such. However, there are ways to connect directly between USB ports.
Plus, I found these two "sync" methods in a quick google search, on this page:

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Personally I find just using IMAP with my email client and Opera's built in bookmark & speeddial syncing to be enough.

I've got a script on the eee that SMB mounts a shared windows directory over the network onto the eee. The eee then runs UNISON to provide the sync capability. This syncs a local directory on the eee with the mounted windows directory. On the PC I have setup a "Send To" link to the folder that I share, so I can simply send files to the eee folder and the next time the eee is on the network, I simply run the script.

Hope that helps!

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That new EEE (?) sounds a lot cooler -- but won't you have to wait another year then, since it would be new tech ?

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i dont think you would want linux. CE would do all of this and better, except maybe slower browser.


I exactly have the same need, but CE cannot have drivers for mouses and has no WPA support wireless.
Since now, most places have wireless wpa ... well tricky
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CE does handle mice, what's your problem there? WPA is available but only for newer versions of CE though (ce.net and above)
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Correct me please if I'm wrong, but I don't think the J720 can run the newer CE versions that might handle mice. Some devs over on the JLime forums have been doing a number of interesting hardware/software hacks to make more use of the serial port on Jornadas, but even over there, none of them have mentioned mice.
Still, we have the "virtual" mouse via the touchscreen, which is pretty typical of hpc's and mostly works fine in both CE and Linux.
The Asus, on the other hand, is more of an ultra-mobile, and thus has the ability to use a mouse. So if meeces is what you wants, EEEs is what you should get!
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Hi - Thanks for info, it might be very useful in the future. - I think I'll stay with my present Handheld PC for now, as it is easier to sync via Activesync and I don't have the time to carry out less than straight forward processes every time I connect my Handheld device to my work and home PCs.

I keep hoping that one day a manufacturer will release the perfect key-boarded Handheld PC, with good sized display, in built mobile phone, based on a suitable version of Windows, which Sync's Contact, Diary and E-mail automatically with PC via ActiveSync.

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Correct me please if I'm wrong, but I don't think the J720 can run the newer CE versions that might handle mice.


you are wrong. even ce 2.11 can handle mice.
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ExPsionMan - 2008-02-03 8:25 PM

I keep hoping that one day a manufacturer will release the perfect key-boarded Handheld PC, with good sized display, in built mobile phone, based on a suitable version of Windows, which Sync's Contact, Diary and E-mail automatically with PC via ActiveSync.


HTC Shift?

just the battery life doesn't seem ideal
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bvjones Page Icon Posted 2008-02-03 5:25 PM
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Thanks for the correction. How does that work? Use a serial mouse?
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